SELTORN.

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By
Shrimp on Saturday, January 9, 1999 - 05:13 pm:

Recently a guy nick-named Seltorn joined the ansi art scene.

This may not be the place to say that, but this lad is trying to destroy every damn thing in #ans, etc. I don'tthink that those racist comments of his belong to the art scene.

He does have the right to say 'he is the best ansi artist in the whole world' and that 'his art owns my ass', but when it comes to kickbanning me from #ans (HOW AND WHY ON EARTH HE HAS OPS IN THIS CHANNEL?) with reasons like (and I quote) "STAY OUT, SMELLY JEW, AND LEARN TO DRAW ANSI", it is quite sad and wrong.

For the record, he had other comments like: "You're not a real artist unless you join real groups", in other words Glue and Awe are not considered "real groups" by our superbly artistic friend. Thanks to him, I'm not a member of Awe Lettering anymore, and I'm sure many people (including me) are extremely dissapointed with that.

I find it quite insolent of him to say those things considering the fact Seltorn has a big lack of artistic talent, to say the very least.

Defective guys like The Guardian and Seltorn do not belong to the underground art scene. They should be excommunicated, confiscated, BANNED FOREVER. If you take yourself as a serious, intelligent artist who cares about this scene, join me, and ban Seltorn.

Thank you for your time.
- Shrimp of Glue.


By The Night Angel on Saturday, January 9, 1999 - 07:57 pm:

I do agree on that. I've had troubles with him previously. It seems like he just doesn't give a shit about anyone and obviously has one hell of an ego, not even deserved. I've seen him quite a few times saying how good he was. He also spreaded rumors that Awe was dead, a few weeks ago.

If people do agree that he's worthless to the scene, I think something should be organized to make sure he doesn't bother anyone, anymore.

As for ops in #ans, that's no problem. Ever since there's been general ansi channels, ops have been passed to just anyone. I still can't get on any bot even tho I keep asking. We've gotten into a fight yesterday, with disco74. He's so immature that he keeps on abusing his +o and keep banning me for no reason, as soon as he runs out of arguments.

For once, someone should make sure people in #ans are people who DRAW ANSI for god's sake. People keep saying they give +o in #ans to people who deserve it. How am I supposed to take it?..


By Starks on Sunday, January 10, 1999 - 05:58 am:

I think you 2 are defentlly right, this seltorn guy annoite me as well. With "My group is better then yours" shit. I am also a begginer but I think my voice should be count which unfortunlly isn't most of the time. If you asking me, I think the same, he doesn't belong to the scene!. As for my group, it is not only an artgroup and I thought about openning it way before I joined the scene. And like every good founder, I think my group is better then his but I still think that there are better groups even if I am the founder. I think that there should be a ban from the scene but there isn't so I afraid there isn't much to do. Sorry, but this the true! If there were, he sure deserv to get it. Hope you get to a good solution. In the mean time, like I said before, "there isn't much to do" exept banning him from the scene's channels.
GooD-BYe

Natural's founder
Starks


By The Night Angel on Sunday, January 10, 1999 - 11:03 am:

If you ask me, being banned from every art scene channel would be considered as a scene ban. All he'd be able to do is release in groups, if they let him do it.


By BlueDevil on Sunday, January 10, 1999 - 08:29 pm:

Um shrimp are you really any different? I kick and ban you from any channels i have ops when you start getting out of line in fact your one to talk my fellow about being a annoyance to the scene. You were heckled out of the ascii scene so now you have come to the ansi scene well not that I give a two cents about #ans anymore but I will tell you this its certainly the kettle calling something else black. You have several of yer own faults just like we all do your problem is your a racisit ignorant fool and think its funny to crack jokes about black people all day long , well until you are a better man do yourself a favor and shut the hell up cause your no different


By Maestro on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 05:01 am:

When I started #ans, it was a channel for the artist ran by the artist. I thought you people understood what I was going for but obviously not because you're still having trouble with the damn thing. The ansi scene is always going to be stupid when you have little idiots controling it. Unfortunately, the only way you can eliminate idiots and annoyances is by making the scene exclusive and bringing back the elite aspect of it so that you can filter out the kiddies that get on your nerves. #ans went through a period where it was completely exclusive and I was only inviting people I felt belonged in the channel. It was cool back then but I made the mistake of making it public so everyone could enjoy it. That was a dumb thing to do because the instant that happened, all the immature little brats that don't know how to EARN respect, came in and ruined it all with their whining. You would think after being in the scene for so long I would have known better. Go figure.

I've realized that trying to do anything good for the scene is a waste of time because you'll just end up getting slapped across the face for it. For god sake don't shame what I started. Will an artist with some balls please go in and make that channel what it used to be and kick all those damn diapers out?


By Root88 on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 06:55 am:

"I've realized that trying to do anything good for the scene is a waste of time because you'll just end up getting slapped across the face for it." -Maestro

That's a ridiculous thing to say. There wouldn't even be a scene if that was true. Also, if you really believed that, would you even have posted your previous message?

About the channel... invite everyone, but don't hand the ops out like candy. That's basically giving a free channel take over to anyone that wants one. If it's a channel by artists for artists, give ops to artists, not just any schmuck that wanders in.


By Root88 on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 07:08 am:

"I've realized that trying to do anything good for the scene is a waste of time because you'll just end up getting slapped across the face for it." -Maestro

That's a ridiculous thing to say. There wouldn't even be a scene if that was true. Also, if you really believed that, would you even have posted your previous message?

About the channel... invite everyone, but don't hand the ops out like candy. That's basically giving a free channel take over to anyone that wants one. If it's a channel by artists for artists, give ops to artists, not just any schmuck that wanders in.


By Lord scarlet on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 08:01 am:

shrimp.. i *completely*agree with bluedevil.. you have become one of the biggest nuisances to the scene.. #1 you say random, stupid, homosexual things in #ans just as your previously mentioned tguardian. #2 you accuse *everyone* of being racist, and sit there and bash on jews yourself. you are not the all high and mighty, whether seltorn has done anything wrong or not, you are a blemish on the scene and deserve removal of your own if you feel that should be an available method of dealing with people.

lordscarletCIA


By Anonymous on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 08:39 am:

now it's my turn... i had nothing against jews in general. i have shitload of jew friends in israel hacking scene. those dudes simply rock. i knew Night Demon, and because of such idiots as shrimp he preferred to kill himself. the only jew whom i dont like is shrimp. i dont think i have him - you shrimpie don't attract my view so much for me to hate you. you are annoying. and if i get ops this means i deserve it. and shutup. another shit shrimp is trying to put on me is trying to ruin awe. i didn't try to ruin anything - i heard from SHRIMP's mouth that AWE is dead!!! and surely due to lack of members in my group i tried to invite awe people saying stuff i heard from shrimp. and if you try to kill people because of they show the thruth about your troubles with awe leader, go piss in the yard and grow up, you're still too much of child.
-- sy, guess who :) seltorn...


By Lord scarlet on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 08:55 am:

(shrimp) AND I THINK YOU BANNED ME BECAUSE IM A JEW, AND YOU'RE JUST PRETANDING.

that is from shortly after what i posted, and is an example of how he tries to make everyone else look like they're doing something wrong.. he's one of those people that thinks just because someone is being mean to him it's cause they're racist, not for the real reason, which is that he's a dick.

lordscarletCIA


By Anonymous on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 09:48 am:

>"I've realized that trying to do anything good
>for the scene is a waste of time because you'll
>just end up getting slapped across the face for
>it." -Maestro
>
>That's a ridiculous thing to say. There wouldn't
>even be a scene if that was true. Also, if you
>really believed that, would you even have posted
>your previous message?

I don't think it's so ridiculous or so out of line. Sadly it's true. How many examples do you need?


By Maestro on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 11:38 am:

And just to clear something up.. It's not a question of anyone being better than anyone else. It's a question of who's mature enough and who's not.


By The Night Angel on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 11:39 am:

Seltorn: As far as I know, I don't have any problems with Shrimp.

To the others: Also as far as I know, the whole discussion was related to Seltorn. I don't really give a damn if you like Shrimp or not, but we were talking about Seltorn here.


By Leonardo.iCE on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 12:12 pm:

Stop bitching a moaning about ops and lamers on #ans/#ansi and start creating some artwork! :)

Leo


By Dangermouse on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 01:43 pm:

Leo: Good call..


By Filth on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 07:02 pm:

about #ans.

you can't make all the people happy all the time.
you can only make some of the people happy, some of the time.

i don't think everyone realizes this. when #ans started, everyone had ops, becuase there was like a max of like 12 people at a time. but after a while the word got out, and in came the preschoolers.

time went on, and the most of original pioneers of #ans just got sick of the immature kids, and left. even the person who started it.

so what do you do? we tried giving everyone ops, and well that didn't work out to well. people bitched "duh, there's too many ops" so then we made it a select few, then it was "duh, why does he get ops and not me?" or "oh i guess i'm not cool enough to get ops, duhhh"

so if you're going to /join #ans and bitch about ops, don't bother. if you don't like what goes on in the channel, don't fucking join it. we tried to make people happy, and well it didn't work.

and shrimp. go outside. if it's possible, try and make some friends.

and here's a tip, that pretending to be a homosexual teegee bullshit, wasn't funny then, and it isn't funny now.


By Imot on Monday, January 11, 1999 - 11:35 pm:

>And just to clear something up.. It's not a >question of anyone being better than anyone >else. It's a question of who's mature enough and >who's not.

maestro got it strightly out =). but scene needs assholes. they are keeping people stronger. there is some people that needs to be kicked about their ego, cause otherwise they might fuck up their heads with seeing so limited. but when you belong to the group of flaming and fighting people, all i know is that it uses so much energy that you can't get it channeled for example to ansi =) try to chill out, laugh big time and see what happens.


By Dangermouse on Tuesday, January 12, 1999 - 01:51 pm:

I think Filth does have a valid point about all this. Channel operators are not supposed to be just anybody, but people who are capable of looking after a channel full of people. This is either byt kicking or banning abusive people (not people *you* just don't like), moderating the channel and if necessary, protect the channel.

It seems to me that this honour should not be given to just anybody, but to people who have been in the scene for quite some time, or those who have proven themselves to be trustworthy and mature.

Giving every single person ops certainly will remove the *chance* that people will say "I WANT OPS, HE HAS IT, WHY DON'T I" kind of talk, but then as Filth said, we then get the "TOO MANY OPS" debate.

So as I said, ops to people who deserve it, preferbly to people that draw, but definately to people who are mature enough to handle it.


By Anonymous on Tuesday, January 12, 1999 - 03:17 pm:

i think #ans is running pretty smooth now. once in a while you have someone complain about too many people having ops, but it's not al that bad. as of now there's 42 people in the channel, and 18 of them (including bots) have ops. maybe it's good, maybe it's bad. but still, it keeps the complaints down. :)


By Filth on Tuesday, January 12, 1999 - 03:17 pm:

woops. that above was posted by me, i accidently clicked on anonymous :)

der der der


By Quip on Thursday, January 14, 1999 - 12:22 pm:

Personally, I liked the idea of #.ans .. #ansi got out of hand. After so many years of listening to delusional freaks ramble on about irrelevant bullshit, it was abouttime someone did something smart like starting #ans. #.ans was only created during a takeover, but a lot more got done in that channel. It was secretive, selective, and that's what attracted me to it.

And no, it wasn't just the fact that I was invited to the channel and I felt "elite". It was that the conversations were more on topic than #ansi or #ans, and that the maturity level was far beyond either of those two.

I'd jump at the chance to be a part of something like #.ans if it came up again. I'd actually try to START it, but I wouldn't know where to begin. Perhaps somebody out there is interested in doing this again, as well?


By Filth on Thursday, January 14, 1999 - 01:16 pm:

i remember .#ans i started it up inspite of the kids who took #ans. but well #.ans was just like #ans when it started. and chances are, if we didn't make #.ans i'm guessing the same thing'd happen.

remember how we had +k's? you know after awhile it'd get out. but hey, i'm up for anything. :)


By Filthy on Thursday, January 14, 1999 - 01:17 pm:

"if we didn't make #.ans i'm guessing the same thing'd happen. "

er that's supposed to say if we DID make #.ans i'm guessin the same thing'd happen.

heh


By God among Lice on Thursday, January 14, 1999 - 03:34 pm:

does anyone else see the hilarity of having three different channels related to ansi, all with similar names, and made up of many of the same people?

I guess it's better than having op wars, but it just seems a little weird to me. :)


By Napalm on Thursday, January 14, 1999 - 05:05 pm:

Im starting #......ans.i if anyone wants to come hang out with me. Its a civilized discussion of ......ans and the role that the letter "i" has played in the scene over the years.


By Dangermouse on Thursday, January 14, 1999 - 08:38 pm:

I think what Napalm is trying say (:>) is that we're all running away from the current scene channels and not trying to fix them, somehow thinking at a new name will fix the problems that happened before.

Why not try and fix #ansi and #ans a little, and get those scene channels up and running smoothly? Surely, this cannot be that hard of a thing to do.


By Anonymous on Thursday, January 14, 1999 - 09:33 pm:

Um you can't fix #ansi without getting rid of certain people and those certain people have made it quite clear they arent going to go anywhere


By Seph_sadist on Sunday, January 17, 1999 - 02:29 pm:

did i miss the crossover from seltorn to #anstalk..ehm..


By Filth on Sunday, January 17, 1999 - 11:52 pm:

"Why not try and fix #ansi and #ans a little, and get those scene channels up and running smoothly? Surely, this cannot be that hard of a thing to do. "

i don't think #ans can really be fixed any more. it's about 90% to everyones likings, so i think we're doing a good job. :)

"did i miss the crossover from seltorn to #anstalk..ehm.. "

i think the whole seltorn discussion was a lame idea, i think the #ans talk discussion is much better. :)


By Deceased squirrel on Monday, January 18, 1999 - 01:56 am:

Ok,
Seltorn now is banning me from #ans for no other reasons other then he doesn't like me and he's " god of ansi " .. I don't see why that jerk off has ops in #ans when hes been in the scene so little time. And I also don't understand how Shrimp was kicked out of awe because of him.. but in my mind we should let this guy crash and burn. I know sometimes i get out of line, but i don't go around abusing my ops and getting half the scene saying that I should be ex-communitcated..
LET THE BASTARD BURN!


By Dangermouse on Monday, January 18, 1999 - 07:17 pm:

Yes, I agree.. Banning people because of personal reasons is not the way to *run* a channel. Sure, we all hate various people within the scene, but not everyone else does. People should be banned from a channel only if they continually disrupt the normal going-ons of the channel..

Take The Guardian for example -- someone in #ansi was continually bugging me to unban teegee. This guy should *not* be allowed back in #ansi, I don't care what anyone says. I don't hate the guy, neither do I dislike him, but he *does* disrupt the peace of #ansi and countless other channels with his constant and uncontructive babble, and constantly insults people.

These my friends are the kind of people who should be banned from channels, not the people who just say a little something every now and then.


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